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| <<The error.>> | "Did not Jesus recognize the role of state when he said 'Render unto Caesar…'? Just asking not defending." [No fallacy alleged in this particular, but it will be answered below.] |
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| <<One or more corrections, links to educational material, etc.>> | Regarding, "Render unto Caesar"; in full (Matthew 22:17-21): 17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? 18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? 19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. 20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? 21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. Jesus gave an answer to satisfy both parties, without pointing out that they owed Caesar nothing. If he had meant, "Give the thugs what they demand", he would have said so; the words existed. Even if he had said that, it would not have made tax collecting thugs moral. And it is extrapolation to assume "Caesar" means "any state"; although the same nothing is owed. Remember, Jesus's message was not (to the disappointment of many) political, but spiritual—the salvation of souls, not (yet) the millenial kingdom or even the driving out of the Roman occupiers. |
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'''Related:''' [[http://www.anti-state.com/redford/redford4.html|Jesus is an Anarchist]]. |
Fallacy:
"Did not Jesus recognize the role of state when he said 'Render unto Caesar…'? Just asking not defending." [No fallacy alleged in this particular, but it will be answered below.]
Response:
Regarding, "Render unto Caesar"; in full (Matthew 22:17-21):
- 17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? 18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? 19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. 20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? 21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Jesus gave an answer to satisfy both parties, without pointing out that they owed Caesar nothing. If he had meant, "Give the thugs what they demand", he would have said so; the words existed. Even if he had said that, it would not have made tax collecting thugs moral. And it is extrapolation to assume "Caesar" means "any state"; although the same nothing is owed. Remember, Jesus's message was not (to the disappointment of many) political, but spiritual—the salvation of souls, not (yet) the millenial kingdom or even the driving out of the Roman occupiers.
*** in progress *** grab comments from https://www.facebook.com/groups/realpoliticsgroup/permalink/313213442105945/?comment_id=313284785432144&offset=0&total_comments=56 for fallacy and response
Related: Jesus is an Anarchist.